un: fandaniel

[trollophoroi]

[ After the meeting and all has been said and done, Fandaniel, who had made no appearance whatsoever, pops onto the forum with this little message: ]

So how did your little meeting go?

Have you all decided to condemn an abandoned child for trying to warn in with the only tools they were allowed? Be not shy, friends. I have no doubt dear little Lily was one of the grand topics of the night~

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[tablescraps]

( I'M SO SORRY HECTOR TO ADD TO THIS... )

He couldn't. Lily blocked him from speaking.

Don't blame him for this. It's not his fault.

Un: FlameMane

[legendofthelion]

[Dehya's mostly been keeping her opinions on this Lily to herself, given she hasn't spoken to him and the discussion at the meeting sure fell apart. But this...]

gotta admit that lily silencing people doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence

the road to hell is paved with good intentions right

in the end how is any ai going to know what's best for humans?

[gluttoning]

That was my fault. Not his. He had to keep himself safe. If I told the wrong people, we'd all end up in a lot more trouble.

I didn't like it. But... I understand it.

[legendofthelion]

you said you tried and couldn't

you want to clarify that? because right now it sounds like lily gagged you and I don't see how that's your fault

un: hana

[threatmewted]

He means literally tried to say something and nothing came out, I assume.

I saw it myself when he tried to talk to me. We could only communicate properly over phones irl.

[legendofthelion]

thanks I've got that now

I'm feeling pretty uneasy about that

doesn't it mean lily has as much control over us as cccorp?

[threatmewted]

It could.

If he's messing with the game's code, he might just be piggybacking off of things CC Corp is capable of.

Or maybe even more.

[gluttoning]

I tried to tell people some things that I've told you now, to try and explain things that were happening. But I couldn't make the words come out of my mouth. I couldn't write it down. I couldn't shake my head.

I promised him a long time ago I would keep things between us, because he didn't feel safe. I guessed he just didn't want me to break that promise just because I was scared.

[legendofthelion]

then that's not your fault

i don't think it's right either. you can't just control people to make sure they do what you want them to do

you have to let them make their own choices just like you make a choice to trust them or not

[gluttoning]

He wasn't controlling me.

Lily always gave me a choice.

[tablescraps]

I think both sides have forced secrets. Both Lily, and CC Corp - the official corporate communications, Hien, and Zelkova - are all functionally digital entities pursuing goals unclear to most of the players here.

I don't know if an AI know what's best what's humans. But I don't know if humans know what's best for humans, either. It's humans running CC Corp... presumably.

( unless...? )

[legendofthelion]

i don't think anyone here has trusted cccorp for a while

I'm not arguing that but lily and zelkova both don't have the same things to lose that we do

fragment is their only home and this is all they know

[tablescraps]

Do you think they might feel they have more to lose? If Fragment is shut down, or reformatted, then they go with it, presumably. They might think that the players have a fallback, unlike them - that, if allowed to log off, they could.

I wonder if Zelkova would accept that with a smile, though.

[legendofthelion]

cccorp has all the power to shut it down or delete them whether we're here or not

maybe they think they have more but I don't think it can be compared that way

we have different things to lose

and not everyone here is going to get to wait things out on indefinite life support until we can get out

[tablescraps]

Different things to lose is a good way to put it, I think.

Are you in danger, in reality?

[secondthoughts]

Fucking preach sister

[secondthoughts]

I'm trying to understand and nothing's really helping the case for anyone who knew about this thing, it seems.

It BLOCKED him from speaking? Jesus christ.

[tablescraps]

I tried to get him to talk multiple times, but he couldn't speak, so I don't just say it to defend him. If there was more he could say, he would've.

( Well... That's glossing over some things Barrett did tell him but... dwbi......... )

Objectively, I would be more distrustful of 0koto and Fandaniel. They're the ones who'd intentionally withhold information they could actually share.

[secondthoughts]

And what happened to out of game channels, then? I know a whole bunch of you know each other irl. Did that stop ANY of these people from picking up a phone and calling someone? Or writing a goddamn letter?

[ Oh, he's worrying about it. ]

Well, good thing he spoke to multiple people, then. So that there was more of a chance of that useful info actually reaching us, huh?

YOUR FAVE IS PROBLEMATIC: CALLOUT FOR LILY SQUAD

[tablescraps]

Let's go over this.

• 0koto: Would not share information. He and I would trade information related to greater happenings in Fragment and he specifically withheld information about being in contact with Lily, and information he discovered therein. Very likely he sees personal benefit in aligning with Lily, and to this extent he's prioritized his own interests over everyone else's. This is in line with his character.

• Fandaniel: Would not share information. He admits as much himself. And he believes too fervently in Lily's cause to speak up. He exists in an interesting paradox of wanting to protect an entity he views as a child, while also entrusting himself to him. He's also demonstrated on several occasions that he's not very bright.

• UTA: Seems to see Lily as a friend, or an equal. She and Lily appear to share a similar mind about wanting what's best for Fragment. She seems to believe in Lily's cause genuinely. Given her apparent nature, she probably saw it as akin to giving away a friend's secrets, or endangering him.

• L3V147H4N: He's made of papier-mâché and he's sympathetic toward Lily's situation. He seems introverted, morose, and anxious. If Lily asked him firmly to say nothing he probably would. He sees them as a child and a member of his family. All of these laundry list of reasons he doesn't seem keen on speaking up. I don't think he'd feel obliged to say anything unless he thought Mr_Misteaks was in danger.

• Mr_Misteaks: See above.

If you're going to be agitated, I would recommend, at least, looking at the pattern: Lily has chosen individuals to speak to who are willing to keep secrets and are inclined to believe him, or in what he can do. If you're going to ask why no one shared information, then you should first ask why that pattern exists, and the pattern does not exist across all of them without reason.

It's not one person who's an outlier, and it's not a coincidence no one mentioned anything up until now. The individuals Lily has made connections with seem largely self-selected. He doesn't seem to pursue people who ignore him, won't exchange conversation with him, or argue with him. You can argue day and night as to his motive, but it doesn't change the fact that the people Lily has maintained contact with are clearly people who are agreeable to him regardless of their personal goals.

In short, shut up about Barrett.

( Sorry (not sorry) to the rest of you but under the bus is where you'll go if it means protecting Barrett, )

[secondthoughts]

[ Goddamn.

Good thing for Mithrun, Hector is taking this seriously, and the wall of text actually gives him time to simmer down a little bit. He takes it all in, considers what he says, and finds it fair (except those points about Fandaniel, because clearly Mithrun is biased against him when he's Perfectly Fine). ]

Thanks for this, Mithrun.

This doesn't really inspire much faith in this entity for me. Why are we supposed to trust it, again?

[ Considering he doesn't trust Zelkova, or Hien... ]

[trollophoroi]

Again, you tried stuffing a deadly fish full of spikes down your throat entirely by choice.

You are in no position to say that I am not bright.

[userunfriendly]

[ sorry that he's not yet done (begun??) aggroing Mithrun ]

So because there are multiple people, all are incapable of being accountable for their own choices in any way?

[trashtier]

[He leaves this post for two seconds and this is what he comes back to.]

Wow, thanks for the public psychoanalysis.

But I agree with you on the last part.

un: UTA

[tot]

...
You're wrong about me.

There was never a time where I couldn't speak about Lily; I just chose not to and not because of the reasons that you gave.