un: Mithrun1 | Re: Digital Conference

[tablescraps]

There's a digital conference on September 23rd. We'll be able to ask CC Corp questions about the game and its anomalies.

How clearly they'll answer, I don't know. But it may be worthwhile to pool together everyone's observations, speculations, and complaints here. Different people have seen different things in Fragment, and not a lot of that information is consolidated.

If you've commented on the forums with your observations before, or seen a worthwhile comment, then you can re-link it.

For example, on the topic of the level cap armor:
• UTA's post (in-game NPCs' warning against using it)
• Zelkova's response (indicating the armor was not an intended feature, nor are titles)
• UTA's comment (in-game NPCs claiming only two individuals can "create things")

If you want to talk about something offline for whatever reason, DM me. I don't really mind sharing my number or email.

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Comments

un ; tylorific

[tylorific]

hey, does seeing your grave count as an observation?

[tablescraps]

Elaborate.

[tylorific]

I was talking to that sexton guy, the grumpy graveyard bouncer.

I don't think he liked me very much though because I saw your grave behind him. looked like they were digging it for you.

are you a zombie?

[tablescraps]

If I am, I'm not aware of it and I can't gauge if there are any conditions attached to me.

You gave "me" a normal potion on 09/09, right? When I logged on, I found the potion in my inventory, glitched.

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I think something about the entirety about my avatar's state was glitched during that period of time. It probably triggered unusual behaviors in the NPCs, such as creating a grave for my avatar.

Though, as I speculated with Sinclair just now, I wonder if being buried in it would have locked my avatar in a permanently "dead" state, unable to come to consciousness online or in reality.

[tylorific]

oh wow. What does that even mean? Have you tried it? I mean, maybe I can try it for you?

It's kind of creepy, isn't it? Or did you want to try and see the grave for yourself? Sexton won't like you much either then.

Have you asked Hien to look at your avatar? or that potion? I bet he would know more about this stuff.

[tablescraps]

oh wow. What does that even mean? Have you tried it? I mean, maybe I can try it for you?

It seems to be unusable currently. I've put in a bug report regarding it.

It's kind of creepy, isn't it? Or did you want to try and see the grave for yourself? Sexton won't like you much either then.

It may be worth inspecting. Did the Sexton get angry with you for viewing my grave?

Have you asked Hien to look at your avatar? or that potion? I bet he would know more about this stuff.

I could ask Hien to inspect me, but I doubt he'll share what he's learned. I wouldn't be wasting my time by asking anyway, though.

[tylorific]

actually, maybe we should ask Hien together. Or just tell him I'll make him extra cute curry for sharing what he finds.

Yeah, the sexton got angry with me. I think I'm banned, So I'm pretty sure I can distract him. I'll have to get more cream puffs.

[tablescraps]

Sure, if you want, on both counts.

How difficult is the grave to find?

un:vogel

[insinning]

do you think they really meant to put mithrun's avatar corpse in there

before his avatar woke up and logged off?

un: Mr_Misteaks

[gluttoning]

if it was just a debuff why would they do that

the npcs were just ignorin him in mac anu right?

[insinning]

[ sir u are hospitalised go back to your graphic novels, he sent you plenty ]

maybe because he was dead long enough in game to trigger some sort of condition?

[gluttoning]

[hes so BOOOOOOORED]

in a totally different town?

its scary to think theyd have an option for that considering its not even supposed to happen

cause its not supposed to happen is it??

[insinning]

[ novels are good for boredom??? ]

it's 'the only graveyard in this world'

there's a lot we don't know but what i want to know is

why program a graveyard

[gluttoning]

maybe its just something for if players died in real life or something? like a memorial. like when someone names a building in a game after their grandma or pet fish.

but mithrun never died so why would he be in there anyway?

[insinning]

[ as someone who named his grunty after his dead dog, he feels so called out right now ]

from what i could tell, the graveyard isn't meant to be for us, but the npcs in the game? but in that case, why hire someone to guard it?

[tablescraps]

It's possible that, as far as the game was concerned, I was dead; I wasn't connected to my headset, but my body was still there and downed. And there was a chance I may have died in reality, though for reasons unrelated to the game.

I wonder what would have happened if they'd buried me. Would I have woken up, but buried underground? Or would the game lock my avatar in a "dead" state, preventing me from being able to wake up in the game or in reality?

un: Winter

[userunfriendly]

Please don't add the "or in reality" so cavalierly.

[tablescraps]

Though correlation does not necessitate causation, based on timing alone it seemed my avatar needed to "log out" or "leave" Fragment before I could wake up in reality. If my avatar-body were locked here, it's possible there would have been no trigger that allowed me to wake up in the real world.

Though, again, that's just speculation.

[userunfriendly]

It's worth considering, in any case. Though not testing.

Ganymede logged out during the incident at the cathedral and still didn't wake immediately. It might be a precondition, or someone might do permanent damage to their real body verifying it. What's clear is that we should take a certain amount of care. Particularly considering the reaction to the log out bug.

[insinning]

I'm seconding winter, you're being way too casual about almost dying.

I guess you wouldn't have been able to access the game again, or you'd have to restart from the beginning?

[tablescraps]

It is what it is. If I had died, I wouldn't be in a state to complain about what happened.

( Since he'd be dead and all, )

That depends on if I'd be conscious if I hadn't "logged out" from the game. It's unclear if my avatar "logging out" had anything to do with me waking, but if it did - then I may not be awake to try to access the game again (and fail) or restart the game.

Though, hypothetically, if those two things are unrelated... Then yes, I think those are both possible. Being locked out of the game is a possibility. I'd probably have to contact support about it.

[gluttoning]

thirding that i dont really want to think about if youd never woken up

[please. please he already had to handle this twice in the last two weeks he is so tired]

i thought removing your headset was supposed to log you out right away though. why didn't it?

[tablescraps]

( Mithrun mentally looks over to the flowers and the cards he'd received when he'd woken up... )

Maybe because I'd been unconscious for too long. My carer said he found my already unconscious in my apartment around noon, but I think I died not long after meeting with Matoba, and I recall I had to meet him very early my time due to time differences.

Alternatively... Maybe it's because the debuff communicated to my brain that I was "unconscious, indefinitely." My brain accepted that signal and acted accordingly. Because of the glitch scheduling no end time to my unconsciousness to my brain, or because the headset had been removed from me and I was thereby unable to receive "new" signals from the game, I was left in a comatose state.

If not for the NDA, it may be worth examining if the "death" state after being killed in-game is similar to a "comatose" state in regards to the level of brain activity present. It's possible that we're effectively comatose already every time we die, with a built-in end time and an ability to rouse from it (via headset removal), and my situation is just what happens when there is no end date set and the rousing upon headset removal mechanism malfunctions.

un: tabibito

[tinged]

Buried underground? I am not sure there is an “underground,” just as what’s above the sky doesn’t exist. Your data likely would have been swept away to another location.

If that were the case, we would have had to search the reaches of this world to find you again. And we would have.

[tablescraps]

( Mithrun mentally looks over to the flowers and the cards he'd received when he'd woken up.............. )

You're right that once the grave is closed up, the system would probably just move me to another location in the game.

I wonder if having my avatar in hand is enough. It seems like there was some kind of trigger that caused me to wake up, but it's still not clear what.